Trust me i understand where u are coming from... hence the positive things i said about you... im not rallied up as you say.. trying to put me in a negative light... im just against misinformation and using someone elses name... i wasnt debating, i was defending the scene against you generalizing them calling them and calling them elitist and selfish under the title of green sector 8 year anneversary... which you blatantly did do... that is in black and white.... especially in the context of thoughts on the park... the park is a good replacement spot til a new spot is found or til the ranch can be restored as a venue... but i think almost anyone will agree... it doesnt compare to a venue like the ranch but yes the vibe has been good there and its better than no gatherings.... but i dont really agree that growing at woodley park and sharing our culture with any random hip hop kid or gang bangers once a month is going to change them or the world... in fact that happened before at woodley with another organizer and it brought all kinds of problems later on even with the proper permits and put even getting permits at risk.... people can only change themselves... seeing us dancing and having fun and hugging eachother to some crazy music every couple weekends isnt going to change them... and the word of mouth expansion to me is what makes green sector and most of the underground the beautiful thing it is... cuz that makes sure that the people who come are people who were told what the gatherings are about and they come and bring that shared mentality to the gathering with them... and thats why they are there... to me thats what makes the event.. the collective conciousness of it... and thats how i throw my events... cuz in the end any kind of person even bad people or criminals may enjoy dancing for a day or night to anything if there are some girls around... thats not going to change their lifestyles.. only they can do that... sharing with them something they wont understand wont... and me driving to the middle of nowhere ensures that everyone who is there REALLY wants to be there... its not just something to go do when they are bored... cuz theres lots of places for that.. clubs almost every night here in LA if u look hard enough.... and for the record i find it hard to believe its positive to call anyone elitist or selfish even if its true or a different crew your talking about... not that its wrong to do so if its true... but its not positive in any sense... and it definitely warrants an explanation other than denial of even saying it... and your image of the kids on the playground and such is nice... but kids that young cant even fathom what is going on in this scene.. and on the wrong day with the wrong people walking through the park any body can become a victim... that park is usable for gatherings for a reason... its not known for being the safest park..... and again im not against sharing ... im about the expansion too which is why i throw my own gatherings... but first and foremost Im about the preservation of the integrity and safety of this ever growing scene... and i know woodley park seems like its gonna integrate it into a positive light in society and share it with the world... but in reality... it will likely bring problems in the end like it did before cuz as we know history does repeat itself... patterns are what the world is made up of... if you do your research u will understand what i am talking about... i've helped friends throw parties for many years and for the last couple years have been throwing my own... theres alot of logistics involved... and safety is always a tough subject to throw around.. buts thats important to me and the integrity of the event... and i think that your idea is noble... but the safety of it over a long period of time... is not very safe judging from past experience... even in woodley park where it looks like there are no problems to encounter... again... im just portraying the other side.. u said what u said under the title that you said it... i think anyone who reads this would take it the same way i did in the context you wrote it in... and Like i said... i think your a good guy bobby... i just dont think u understand the "delicate dance" (as wyse put it) that really makes the vibe you want to share so bad... and in my opinion the woodley park vibe hasnt even compared to the ranch events in that vibe other than having some younger goers which is something u say u think the gatherings need... but then isnt that selfish to say? in my opinion people were much friendlier on a whole, in my opinion, at the ranch when they actually had to make an effort to go... so anyways... just my opinion in my experiences... if you want to talk more PM me.. nothin but respect for you man.. i just think u should be careful generalizing large groups with harsh words without any explanation when you say it... especially using someone elses name to do it... anyways.. just my thoughts.. like i said... nothin but respect and a different opinion

peace
Ryan

peace
Ryab